> that would be a great idea since everyone hates using Teams, nobody knows where to find files in Sharepoint
Summarizes my experience in my new company, which is a Microsoft shop.
Though RevOps side, I don't see how this would make much difference. If cost cutting got so far, he can also propose switching to Mattermost+Jitsi+Nextcloud, hosted on Hetzner.
I personally prefer Gsuite + Slack. But I've been on that "stack" for 15 years (although I also still use excel). Hard to say if it's better, because someone coming from the 15 years in the Microsoft world may prefer that.
One anecdote -- I just recently left a large, public company (that acquired the startup I worked for) and they were in the process of evaluating a move to Microsoft (to the point that they migrated some teams over). They opted not to make the switch and there were a lot of complaints from the testing group.
For a 40 person startup, I think two ways about it:
First, I cannot imagine this is the biggest priority right now. Presumably you're trying to hit some growth target. Is this really the thing holding you back? If you're in survival mode, this feels a lot like moving the deck chairs around on the Titanic.
But Second, if you're gonna do it, it's going to be a heck of a lot easier to do it at 40 people than at 60, or 80, or 100.
Overall, I wouldn't recommend doing it unless the ROI looks really, really good. If I was an investor or advisor it would drive me up the wall to hear that this is what you're distracting yourself with right now. And it's one of those problems that when you hit $MILESTONE, you'll have the money/team in place to handle making the migration go smoothly.
These matters often come down to personal preference. One of the most unplesant board meetings I ever experienced involved expletives over a M365/Google fight.
I suggest you keep to the facts as you understand them and also know you may have to bite the bullet if someone higher up the foodchain decides to run with the change.
well, infrastructure cannot be switched if people hate it. The same could be said about new setup in the future. If people are not able to find what they need, then its a training issue.
M365 or GSuite are collaboration stack that facilitates teams to work together. While it's a part of RevOps engine, its mostly backend. RevOps should focus on frontend process which is the order to cash workflow - the marketing efforts, sales pitch and customer success and how are there teams working together. RevOps has its own systemic flow that can be facilitated through CRM systems that can be customized to follow a blue print.
well, infrastructure cannot be switched if people hate it. The same could be said about new setup in the future. If people are not able to find what they need, then its a training issue.
M365 or GSuite are collaboration stack that facilitates teams to work together. While it's a part of RevOps engine, its mostly backend. RevOps should focus on frontend process which is the order to cash workflow - the marketing efforts, sales pitch and customer success and how are there teams working together. RevOps has its own systemic flow that can be facilitated through CRM systems that can be customized to follow a blue print.
Sounds like a strategic platform selection, surely you have some sort of governance function, architect or corporate to take such a concern to. Also, this changes focus from core service delivery of your product to migration and new tool adoption.
Why would leadership sign up for that unless it was proven on paper to be a better bet?
Yes, yes, and yes. Teams is absolute trash. Slack + Google stuff + Zoom works way better ime. But you have to experience it yourself. It's meaningless to try and list everything that works poorly in Teams.
New tools aren't going to do anything that much better than the existing ones. Most professional suites do roughly the same things.
Since he is the RevOps guy, my first question would be how much is this going to save.
Once you go to buy Google Workspace + Slack + Zoom + Jamf + all the other replacements. I doubt it is going to be any cheaper.
--Edit to add. He says you need Gemini so you can be a AI company. Doesn't the Microsoft subscriptions come with CoPilot?
Microsoft Copilot is for all intents and purposes thoroughly useless. It has a 8k char limit and the file upload feature is abysmal.
> that would be a great idea since everyone hates using Teams, nobody knows where to find files in Sharepoint
Summarizes my experience in my new company, which is a Microsoft shop.
Though RevOps side, I don't see how this would make much difference. If cost cutting got so far, he can also propose switching to Mattermost+Jitsi+Nextcloud, hosted on Hetzner.
I personally prefer Gsuite + Slack. But I've been on that "stack" for 15 years (although I also still use excel). Hard to say if it's better, because someone coming from the 15 years in the Microsoft world may prefer that.
One anecdote -- I just recently left a large, public company (that acquired the startup I worked for) and they were in the process of evaluating a move to Microsoft (to the point that they migrated some teams over). They opted not to make the switch and there were a lot of complaints from the testing group.
For a 40 person startup, I think two ways about it:
First, I cannot imagine this is the biggest priority right now. Presumably you're trying to hit some growth target. Is this really the thing holding you back? If you're in survival mode, this feels a lot like moving the deck chairs around on the Titanic.
But Second, if you're gonna do it, it's going to be a heck of a lot easier to do it at 40 people than at 60, or 80, or 100.
Overall, I wouldn't recommend doing it unless the ROI looks really, really good. If I was an investor or advisor it would drive me up the wall to hear that this is what you're distracting yourself with right now. And it's one of those problems that when you hit $MILESTONE, you'll have the money/team in place to handle making the migration go smoothly.
As he is Rev Ops, can you switch Sales to Google and slack first?
They can keep Teams alongside Slack to talk to others.
Then if revenue increases do the rest.
I just want to say that people shouldn't use tools they hate for most of their day.
These matters often come down to personal preference. One of the most unplesant board meetings I ever experienced involved expletives over a M365/Google fight.
I suggest you keep to the facts as you understand them and also know you may have to bite the bullet if someone higher up the foodchain decides to run with the change.
well, infrastructure cannot be switched if people hate it. The same could be said about new setup in the future. If people are not able to find what they need, then its a training issue.
M365 or GSuite are collaboration stack that facilitates teams to work together. While it's a part of RevOps engine, its mostly backend. RevOps should focus on frontend process which is the order to cash workflow - the marketing efforts, sales pitch and customer success and how are there teams working together. RevOps has its own systemic flow that can be facilitated through CRM systems that can be customized to follow a blue print.
well, infrastructure cannot be switched if people hate it. The same could be said about new setup in the future. If people are not able to find what they need, then its a training issue.
M365 or GSuite are collaboration stack that facilitates teams to work together. While it's a part of RevOps engine, its mostly backend. RevOps should focus on frontend process which is the order to cash workflow - the marketing efforts, sales pitch and customer success and how are there teams working together. RevOps has its own systemic flow that can be facilitated through CRM systems that can be customized to follow a blue print.
- Shanil
Sounds like a strategic platform selection, surely you have some sort of governance function, architect or corporate to take such a concern to. Also, this changes focus from core service delivery of your product to migration and new tool adoption.
Why would leadership sign up for that unless it was proven on paper to be a better bet?
Slack is orders of magnitude better than Teams.
Google docs is better than Microsoft office, but only by a little.
Google drive is many many orders of magnitude better than Sharepoint.
I prefer Google, but the Google Identity solution is weaker.
Other than that, you just deal with it. It’s not a big deal. I’ve moved places to and from each platform.
What is RevOps?
Apparently a role that proposes unjustified optimisations where they were not needed to then find another adventure in a different company.
Yes, yes, and yes. Teams is absolute trash. Slack + Google stuff + Zoom works way better ime. But you have to experience it yourself. It's meaningless to try and list everything that works poorly in Teams.