Grab some popcorn then because it looks like Lula is heading down that path. Things are gonna get fun very soon.
Not even two days now and we've got leftists burning with patriotic fervor on social media. They've suddenly found a willingness to defend Brazil's sovereignty against US interference despite the fact they're unrepentant globalists. These are the same guys who hate the military and everything it represents. The same people who did everything in their power to destroy Bolsonaro, the guy who revived brazilian nationalism for a brief four years.
Watching this circus is truly a surreal experience.
> The same people who did everything in their power to destroy Bolsonaro, the guy who revived brazilian nationalism for a brief four years.
it is laughable to see Bolsonaro supporters destroy logic and call nationalism congressmen and ex-presidents asking for the US to tariff the Brazilian economy. But it is even more funny to see this backfiring - which is obvious, there is always a limit to how much you can attack your own country for political gains, including for the globalist far-right.
I didn't say the calls for tariffs were nationalism either. I said Bolsonaro managed to revive brazilian nationalism during the brief four years he was in power. I meant to imply that the current administration managed to destroy said nationalism. Destroying it was one of their explicit goals. They likened it to the denazification of Germany. Watching them appeal to nationalism now is just hilarious to me.
This is exactly what brazilians asked for and it's exactly what they should get. It's gotten to the point I think it'd be great if Lula was reelected. The brazilian right wing shouldn't have to spend years cleaning up the messes they leave behind only for them to come back later to enjoy the good times we've created. Let them hold onto power a little longer so that the bomb blows up in their hands.
Refrain from replying to me again if you can't muster enough respect to have a coherent discussion about our country's politics without calling others "minions". Bolsonaro is a coward who betrayed everyone who supported him. People went to jail for this guy while he was hiding in the USA like a rat. Don't call me a "Bolsominion".
I won't play victim, I won't support tariff retaliation. We're a peaceful nation, interested in diplomacy, with a long history of healthy commerce with the US and close ties to the north american people. This is the only sane response that one could give to such an announcement.
So much for peace and diplomacy. Looks like Lula is gonna retaliate and start a trade war with our second biggest trade partner even though we're exporters of commodities.
Lula said today that they will try to negotiate (how? Trump is asking something that you can't negotiate), and if the day comes the tariff starts, then Brazil will retaliate with another 50% back.
Trump has already threatened to retaliate if he does that. Said he'll throw whatever value Lula musters up right back at him on top of the 50%. If he does what you're saying, Trump is expected to make ours a 100% tariff.
He's also threatened to apply 100% tax on countries trying to replace USD as their reserve currency, which is exactly what Lula and his friends are once again threatening.
China has a lot of leverage due to the fact they manufacture the USA's technology. We sell commodities. Natural resources and soy.
It's what happens when you don't play ball with the biggest bully there is this side of the pond. Not surprising at all though, the US has been continuously pushing their agenda around these parts for many decades now, even aiding the former military dictatorship, now aiding our former putschist president and his criminal family. Then they wonder why every day we're inching closer to China and their allies instead of them.
Their power keeps increasing to this day. It disgusts me every time they utter the word democracy.
I for one am very happy to see Trump sanction this place. Right now it looks like he's the only person in the world able and willing to put pressure on this dictatorship of the judiciary. I hope I'm around to see him personally sanction everyone involved.
You sound like you cannot refute even a single one of the arguments presented.
Not the first time people try to gaslight me and call me mentally ill for expressing my views. Please note that I'm absolutely open to counterpoints. I'm secretly hoping someone will convince me that this country isn't the judiciary dictatorship I believe it is. Sadly it looks like you're not going to be that person.
Hhhh I actually opened the link to truth social. It's fun how stupid a letter from a world 'leader' can sound. Feels a bit like being back in school.
Anyways. Fun would be if Lula goes for the run imposed by trump. Just tax imports from US by 200%, then trump goes 250. Add another 250% and so on.
Grab some popcorn then because it looks like Lula is heading down that path. Things are gonna get fun very soon.
Not even two days now and we've got leftists burning with patriotic fervor on social media. They've suddenly found a willingness to defend Brazil's sovereignty against US interference despite the fact they're unrepentant globalists. These are the same guys who hate the military and everything it represents. The same people who did everything in their power to destroy Bolsonaro, the guy who revived brazilian nationalism for a brief four years.
Watching this circus is truly a surreal experience.
Please don't bring the circus to HN.
> The same people who did everything in their power to destroy Bolsonaro, the guy who revived brazilian nationalism for a brief four years.
it is laughable to see Bolsonaro supporters destroy logic and call nationalism congressmen and ex-presidents asking for the US to tariff the Brazilian economy. But it is even more funny to see this backfiring - which is obvious, there is always a limit to how much you can attack your own country for political gains, including for the globalist far-right.
Lula is reelected now.
I'll stop posting if dang asks me to. Not you.
I didn't say the calls for tariffs were nationalism either. I said Bolsonaro managed to revive brazilian nationalism during the brief four years he was in power. I meant to imply that the current administration managed to destroy said nationalism. Destroying it was one of their explicit goals. They likened it to the denazification of Germany. Watching them appeal to nationalism now is just hilarious to me.
This is exactly what brazilians asked for and it's exactly what they should get. It's gotten to the point I think it'd be great if Lula was reelected. The brazilian right wing shouldn't have to spend years cleaning up the messes they leave behind only for them to come back later to enjoy the good times we've created. Let them hold onto power a little longer so that the bomb blows up in their hands.
Refrain from replying to me again if you can't muster enough respect to have a coherent discussion about our country's politics without calling others "minions". Bolsonaro is a coward who betrayed everyone who supported him. People went to jail for this guy while he was hiding in the USA like a rat. Don't call me a "Bolsominion".
Fine, old man. Do your art of the deal thing.
I won't play victim, I won't support tariff retaliation. We're a peaceful nation, interested in diplomacy, with a long history of healthy commerce with the US and close ties to the north american people. This is the only sane response that one could give to such an announcement.
So much for peace and diplomacy. Looks like Lula is gonna retaliate and start a trade war with our second biggest trade partner even though we're exporters of commodities.
> Looks like
Rumours.
I approve the Itamaraty's reaction of not acknowledging the letter and sending it back.
Lacking a proper world leader, we the people must take the responsability of actually not negotiating with terrorists. We need to step up.
Lula said today that they will try to negotiate (how? Trump is asking something that you can't negotiate), and if the day comes the tariff starts, then Brazil will retaliate with another 50% back.
Are you trying to name drop stuff to gauge how I keep interacting with this kind of discussion?
Maybe it's unconscious on your part, IDK. Do you understand what you're doing?
Trump has already threatened to retaliate if he does that. Said he'll throw whatever value Lula musters up right back at him on top of the 50%. If he does what you're saying, Trump is expected to make ours a 100% tariff.
He's also threatened to apply 100% tax on countries trying to replace USD as their reserve currency, which is exactly what Lula and his friends are once again threatening.
China has a lot of leverage due to the fact they manufacture the USA's technology. We sell commodities. Natural resources and soy.
It's what happens when you don't play ball with the biggest bully there is this side of the pond. Not surprising at all though, the US has been continuously pushing their agenda around these parts for many decades now, even aiding the former military dictatorship, now aiding our former putschist president and his criminal family. Then they wonder why every day we're inching closer to China and their allies instead of them.
The real coup was perpetrated by the unelected judges of the supreme court all the way back in 2019.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39966382
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36543423
Their power keeps increasing to this day. It disgusts me every time they utter the word democracy.
I for one am very happy to see Trump sanction this place. Right now it looks like he's the only person in the world able and willing to put pressure on this dictatorship of the judiciary. I hope I'm around to see him personally sanction everyone involved.
You sound absolutely deranged to say the least.
You sound like you cannot refute even a single one of the arguments presented.
Not the first time people try to gaslight me and call me mentally ill for expressing my views. Please note that I'm absolutely open to counterpoints. I'm secretly hoping someone will convince me that this country isn't the judiciary dictatorship I believe it is. Sadly it looks like you're not going to be that person.
And there was much rejoicing. I waited years for this news. 50% is far too low! I pay nearly 100% taxes when I import products, american or otherwise.
I can't wait for the 50% reciprocal taxes on Big Tech, finally
Do it! Crush them with taxes to finance this circus we call a country. Hopefully they'll leave Brazil over it.
Hopefully!