I like how it is flagged for no reason. Even more reason for us to keep talking about it since the technologies Israeli use to do the genocide are pretty impressive for us in Hacker News.
Your comments seem to be engaging only with stories about one politically controversial topic, which is not the intended use of HN. Please stop using HN this way. If you want to participate here, please do so in accordance with the guidelines. It's nothing to do with the topic you're commenting about; the guidelines have always applied equally to everyone, and using HN primarily for ideological battle has always been unwelcome here.
Ah, a green account with negative points engaging only to defend Israel's genocide by whataboutism and playing the victim card. Israel is doing a genocide, an ethnic cleasing, similar to the Holocaust which was also a genocide and ethnic cleansing. Does the parallel seem enough for you?
> because.. you're the imaginary sky-dweller's chosen people
... and you have a military juggernaught, with some occasional need of geopolitical destabilization backing you for decades.
Israel has amassed so much hatred towards them in the region, without western military support, i guess, their fate would be sealed. I wonder if any kind of reconciliation politics could change that. If not, the only way for them is slowly forward in their eradication campaign.
I don't know if it's a positive, but at least the hypocrisy of people^W the ruling opressors saying "the world needs to be run with rules" has been exposed: https://archive.is/jpZGZ .. It's probably not, now we're down^W further down a path where might is right, and if anyone's got the need, they'll shoot your head off for that food in your hand.
I toured the United Nations HQ a few years ago, they even have the words on their wall of their secretary general Dag Hammarskjöld's words of "The UN was not created to take mankind to heaven, but to save humanity from hell". But nowadays it feels like, why even bother anymore?
Most of the pro Palestinians will first complain about the innocent casualties but then follow up with assertions such as Israel shouldn't exist I don't believe in two state coexistence. So they are all burying the lede it isn't about the innocent casualties that so much as the side they belong to. In a fight between two equally ruthless opponents I'm not going to whole heartedly support one or the other. I hope the fighting stops and innocents can rebuild their lives.. however this bland universal statement would incense many people
one in a concentration camp, having lost most of their family, the other in a "liberal democracy" partying at raves on the border with that concentration camp.
Israel has shown repeatedly that it cant stop genociding, so it has the same amount of right to exist as Nazi Germany: zero. Either stop the genocide or perish.
They mean it in a completely different way. They want no Israelis to be living in that area, not a change of regime. And all this predates Oct 7 of course.
If some extremist Americans say "Country X should be eradicated", can that country carpet-bomb America?". Let's say X = Greenland. (yeah yeah it's not a country, and humor me about Greenland's ability to commit genocide...).
I'd wager what the average Palestinian wanted/wants was to enjoy lives and freedoms with at worst bird poop falling from the sky and not Raytheon's newest GBU model, but if your neighboring state terrorizes you with little impunity for 70 years, would you not cheer on when some of your community fires back at them? And some other community members might even cower in fear because they know the revenge will come worse, but of course the foreign media will mostly show the people cheering and the commenters on social media will describe your community as "all blood-thirsty genocidal killers".. and blame your religion for it.
This topic has 7 comments but ChatGPT4.001(or 5 if you believe their versioning) has 1k, all a variation of: "it changed my life, I want to drink sama's bath water, such a revolution, notice me, I am also with the herd".
> Associated Press reporting into an Israeli attack on a Gaza Strip hospital that killed 22 people, including five journalists, raises serious questions about Israel’s rationale for the strikes and the way they were carried out.
This assumes that Israel is acting rationally. It doesn't, there's nothing rational about this.
What is irrational about wanting to remove a hostile force on your borders when said hostile force has stated that it's goal is the destruction of your state?
Israel has certainly made mistakes, but it is not acting irrationally.
Initially they estimated 25000 fighters, then 40000, now 50000. So yea there is no point in discusing, as you and most supporters will accept any number the israeli government puts out, apparently
Not the first time Israel bombs a hospital with large casualties in order to kill journalists. They've being quite brazen about it, too.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-strike-gaz...
https://www.thejournal.ie/israel-strikes-gaza-hospital-killi...
Part of a pattern.
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/12/pattern-isra...
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I like how it is flagged for no reason. Even more reason for us to keep talking about it since the technologies Israeli use to do the genocide are pretty impressive for us in Hacker News.
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Your comments seem to be engaging only with stories about one politically controversial topic, which is not the intended use of HN. Please stop using HN this way. If you want to participate here, please do so in accordance with the guidelines. It's nothing to do with the topic you're commenting about; the guidelines have always applied equally to everyone, and using HN primarily for ideological battle has always been unwelcome here.
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Ah, a green account with negative points engaging only to defend Israel's genocide by whataboutism and playing the victim card. Israel is doing a genocide, an ethnic cleasing, similar to the Holocaust which was also a genocide and ethnic cleansing. Does the parallel seem enough for you?
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> because.. you're the imaginary sky-dweller's chosen people
... and you have a military juggernaught, with some occasional need of geopolitical destabilization backing you for decades.
Israel has amassed so much hatred towards them in the region, without western military support, i guess, their fate would be sealed. I wonder if any kind of reconciliation politics could change that. If not, the only way for them is slowly forward in their eradication campaign.
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I don't know if it's a positive, but at least the hypocrisy of people^W the ruling opressors saying "the world needs to be run with rules" has been exposed: https://archive.is/jpZGZ .. It's probably not, now we're down^W further down a path where might is right, and if anyone's got the need, they'll shoot your head off for that food in your hand.
I toured the United Nations HQ a few years ago, they even have the words on their wall of their secretary general Dag Hammarskjöld's words of "The UN was not created to take mankind to heaven, but to save humanity from hell". But nowadays it feels like, why even bother anymore?
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Most of the pro Palestinians will first complain about the innocent casualties but then follow up with assertions such as Israel shouldn't exist I don't believe in two state coexistence. So they are all burying the lede it isn't about the innocent casualties that so much as the side they belong to. In a fight between two equally ruthless opponents I'm not going to whole heartedly support one or the other. I hope the fighting stops and innocents can rebuild their lives.. however this bland universal statement would incense many people
> Israel shouldn't exist
in it's current form
> innocents can rebuild their lives
one in a concentration camp, having lost most of their family, the other in a "liberal democracy" partying at raves on the border with that concentration camp.
> with assertions such as Israel shouldn't exist
A state committing genocide shouldn't exist. We disbanded Nazi Germany, the same should happen to the genocidal Zionist Israeli state.
At this very moment we have witnessed:
- the targeting of journalists (war crime)
- starving of the civilian population (war crime)
- bombing hospitals (war crime)
- targeting of children (war crime)
- shooting humanitarian aid seekers (war crime)
- illegally settling land that belongs to Palestine and forcing its rightful owners out off it (war crime)
All these war crimes together are what makes what Israel is doing a genocide. And the leading experts on genocide agree:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cde3eyzdr63o
Israel has shown repeatedly that it cant stop genociding, so it has the same amount of right to exist as Nazi Germany: zero. Either stop the genocide or perish.
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They mean it in a completely different way. They want no Israelis to be living in that area, not a change of regime. And all this predates Oct 7 of course.
If some extremist Americans say "Country X should be eradicated", can that country carpet-bomb America?". Let's say X = Greenland. (yeah yeah it's not a country, and humor me about Greenland's ability to commit genocide...).
I'd wager what the average Palestinian wanted/wants was to enjoy lives and freedoms with at worst bird poop falling from the sky and not Raytheon's newest GBU model, but if your neighboring state terrorizes you with little impunity for 70 years, would you not cheer on when some of your community fires back at them? And some other community members might even cower in fear because they know the revenge will come worse, but of course the foreign media will mostly show the people cheering and the commenters on social media will describe your community as "all blood-thirsty genocidal killers".. and blame your religion for it.
This topic has 7 comments but ChatGPT4.001(or 5 if you believe their versioning) has 1k, all a variation of: "it changed my life, I want to drink sama's bath water, such a revolution, notice me, I am also with the herd".
> Associated Press reporting into an Israeli attack on a Gaza Strip hospital that killed 22 people, including five journalists, raises serious questions about Israel’s rationale for the strikes and the way they were carried out.
This assumes that Israel is acting rationally. It doesn't, there's nothing rational about this.
What is irrational about wanting to remove a hostile force on your borders when said hostile force has stated that it's goal is the destruction of your state?
Israel has certainly made mistakes, but it is not acting irrationally.
of course, that is the rationale of MS-13 or other organized criminial organizations.
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The total isn't really meaningful without knowing what fraction are combatants.
what fraction would you find morally acceptable?
What would be the point of discussing what number might be acceptable, when we don't know the number for this conflict?
Initially they estimated 25000 fighters, then 40000, now 50000. So yea there is no point in discusing, as you and most supporters will accept any number the israeli government puts out, apparently