> In the early 20th century, the United Fruit Company, a multinational corporation, was instrumental in the creation of the banana republic phenomenon.[6][7] Together with other American corporations, such as the Cuyamel Fruit Company, and leveraging the power of the U.S. government, the corporations created the political, economic, and social circumstances that led to a coup of the locally elected democratic government that established banana republics in Central American countries such as Honduras and Guatemala;[8] No official apology has ever been done by any banana company or the U.S. with only the C.I.A. backed dictator of Guatemala apologizing in 2011.[9]
I have been following the evidence that was shared in the trial the last years. The summary is clear [0] - there is plenty of evidence Bolsanaro and several higher military members tried to stage a coup.
A military coup is when the military deploys its forces and deposes the government. A military coup attempt consists of the military's forces being defeated while trying to seize power.
I'm sure they planned a military coup. I don't think they actually tried it. An attempt actually has a chance of succeeding. Bolsonaro was in the USA while his fans were protesting in BrasÃlia. When the military finally showed up, it was to arrest them.
Bolsenaro is ex military, apointed his army buddys to positions in government, and evidence shows that the coup planning was with a large network of officers, useing military resiurces to plan there takeover. Bolsenaro was most definitly planning a coup with all of the top military comanders, he had zero reason to be working with.
That he could not move faster than those opossing him, is not evidence in his favor.
Getting caught at that point leaves no room to say "nice try, go home".
Knowing some ex army officers who were let off in a coup atempt, the offer was given to junior officers as "lead or gold", ie : get out of politicd,stay out of politics, and perhaps seek oportunity abroad, but the ones at the top know there is no way to leave them running around.
This is exactly what took place in Brazil.
It looks like he simply failed to secure the support of all branches of the military and decided against going through with it. That's why I think it's silly to claim there was a coup attempt. At the end of the day, a coup was not actually attempted. They could have charged him with something more accurate like conspiracy. Conspiring to do something is obviously a much lesser crime than actually doing it. They specifically chose to call it a coup for political reasons. Giving up was pretty stupid in hindsight, he's being judged as though he had actually gone through with it. He might as well have tried.
Oh well. Bolsonaro's fate is much less important than the fate of the thousands of people who went to jail in January 8th. I don't believe there was a coup attempt there either. They asked the military to do it and the military did nothing. They can be charged with vandalism, incitation, whatever. They can't be charged with an actual coup attempt. That requires actually picking up weapons and trying to depose the government by force. Asking the military to do it on their behalf doesn't amount to a coup attempt.
For the record: I don't think Bolsonaro is wrong from a purely moral standpoint. My position is that the supreme court itself enacted a silent coup years before these events unfolded. That makes any manuever from Bolsonaro a counter-strike against the real tyrants. Especially since these same tyrants nullified the corruption case against the current president and violated the constitution on a daily basis in order to get him elected in 2022. Now that Bolsonaro's been defeated, the only hope for this country lies in Trump's sanctions as well as diplomatic and economic pressure.
They have been doing it since at least 2019 when they started the "fake news" inquisition where they were victims, investigators, prosecutors, judges and executioners in a case involving wildcard crimes against themselves covering the entire brazilian territory. A literal kangaroo court.
That's not enough, they went even further. They perpetrated a silent coup. These unelected judge-kings have usurped so much power they have essentially taken over the legislative and executive branches of government. They openly legislate despite not a single brazilian having voted for them. They are so brazen as to raise taxes. Politicians can impeach them but they don't dare to do it because they are the ones who judge politicians for corruption.
The brazilian supreme court is such a kangaroo court, they were brazen enough to set up a "fake news" inquisition where they were victims, investigators, prosecutors, judges and executioners in a case of wildcard crimes against themselves covering the whole brazilian territory.
He speaks of democracy but rules through the unelected supreme court. Every time his party is defeated democratically, they bring it to the supreme court and they force it through. Our representatives blocked his attempt to raise taxes and the supreme court raised them on his behalf. The only reason they don't dissolve these expensive institutions is they let him pretend that this country is a democracy.
He speaks of sovereignty despite being a pro-crime socialist and globalist. It was under his party's 20+ year rule that drug trafficking organized crime gangs came to dominate over a quarter of our territory, create a parallel state, pull off a stealth secession and infiltrate society and even the official government at every level. He makes a show of not submitting to the USA and then turns around and kowtows to China. He openly disdains the military, nationalism and the very concept of arming and defending oneself, then he turns around and starts speaking of sovereignty as if he had nuclear weapons to deter adversaries with.
The sheer dishonesty, the sheer number of contradictions in this delusional communist's politics is enough to test my sanity. I feel like I'm being gaslit.
>Every time his party is defeated democratically, they bring it to the supreme court and they force it through.
What? When did this happen? He won democratically, through the vote, all the times he became president. This seems some wild MAGA-like conspiracy stuff.
https://archive.ph/jPSMw
The Brazilian Supreme Court brought its own case and decided upon on it in a way that banana republics could only dream of doing.
Banana Republic is an interesting term to use:
> In the early 20th century, the United Fruit Company, a multinational corporation, was instrumental in the creation of the banana republic phenomenon.[6][7] Together with other American corporations, such as the Cuyamel Fruit Company, and leveraging the power of the U.S. government, the corporations created the political, economic, and social circumstances that led to a coup of the locally elected democratic government that established banana republics in Central American countries such as Honduras and Guatemala;[8] No official apology has ever been done by any banana company or the U.S. with only the C.I.A. backed dictator of Guatemala apologizing in 2011.[9]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_republic
Could you explain why?
I have been following the evidence that was shared in the trial the last years. The summary is clear [0] - there is plenty of evidence Bolsanaro and several higher military members tried to stage a coup.
[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Brazilian_coup_plot
"Tried" is too strong a word.
A military coup is when the military deploys its forces and deposes the government. A military coup attempt consists of the military's forces being defeated while trying to seize power.
I'm sure they planned a military coup. I don't think they actually tried it. An attempt actually has a chance of succeeding. Bolsonaro was in the USA while his fans were protesting in BrasÃlia. When the military finally showed up, it was to arrest them.
Bolsenaro is ex military, apointed his army buddys to positions in government, and evidence shows that the coup planning was with a large network of officers, useing military resiurces to plan there takeover. Bolsenaro was most definitly planning a coup with all of the top military comanders, he had zero reason to be working with. That he could not move faster than those opossing him, is not evidence in his favor. Getting caught at that point leaves no room to say "nice try, go home".
Knowing some ex army officers who were let off in a coup atempt, the offer was given to junior officers as "lead or gold", ie : get out of politicd,stay out of politics, and perhaps seek oportunity abroad, but the ones at the top know there is no way to leave them running around. This is exactly what took place in Brazil.
We're not in disagreement here.
It looks like he simply failed to secure the support of all branches of the military and decided against going through with it. That's why I think it's silly to claim there was a coup attempt. At the end of the day, a coup was not actually attempted. They could have charged him with something more accurate like conspiracy. Conspiring to do something is obviously a much lesser crime than actually doing it. They specifically chose to call it a coup for political reasons. Giving up was pretty stupid in hindsight, he's being judged as though he had actually gone through with it. He might as well have tried.
Oh well. Bolsonaro's fate is much less important than the fate of the thousands of people who went to jail in January 8th. I don't believe there was a coup attempt there either. They asked the military to do it and the military did nothing. They can be charged with vandalism, incitation, whatever. They can't be charged with an actual coup attempt. That requires actually picking up weapons and trying to depose the government by force. Asking the military to do it on their behalf doesn't amount to a coup attempt.
For the record: I don't think Bolsonaro is wrong from a purely moral standpoint. My position is that the supreme court itself enacted a silent coup years before these events unfolded. That makes any manuever from Bolsonaro a counter-strike against the real tyrants. Especially since these same tyrants nullified the corruption case against the current president and violated the constitution on a daily basis in order to get him elected in 2022. Now that Bolsonaro's been defeated, the only hope for this country lies in Trump's sanctions as well as diplomatic and economic pressure.
Kangaroo court
This is just the new normal.
They have been doing it since at least 2019 when they started the "fake news" inquisition where they were victims, investigators, prosecutors, judges and executioners in a case involving wildcard crimes against themselves covering the entire brazilian territory. A literal kangaroo court.
That's not enough, they went even further. They perpetrated a silent coup. These unelected judge-kings have usurped so much power they have essentially taken over the legislative and executive branches of government. They openly legislate despite not a single brazilian having voted for them. They are so brazen as to raise taxes. Politicians can impeach them but they don't dare to do it because they are the ones who judge politicians for corruption.
The institution itself is known to be corrupt, unwinding major corruption convictions and notably freeing the corrupt president.
https://www.ft.com/content/c0d84b0f-1f0b-40d0-8ebe-8bf6c60b4...
The brazilian supreme court is such a kangaroo court, they were brazen enough to set up a "fake news" inquisition where they were victims, investigators, prosecutors, judges and executioners in a case of wildcard crimes against themselves covering the whole brazilian territory.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39966382
That is the state we find ourselves in. As far as I know, that "fake news" inquisition is still ongoing.
Nice!
He speaks of democracy but rules through the unelected supreme court. Every time his party is defeated democratically, they bring it to the supreme court and they force it through. Our representatives blocked his attempt to raise taxes and the supreme court raised them on his behalf. The only reason they don't dissolve these expensive institutions is they let him pretend that this country is a democracy.
He speaks of sovereignty despite being a pro-crime socialist and globalist. It was under his party's 20+ year rule that drug trafficking organized crime gangs came to dominate over a quarter of our territory, create a parallel state, pull off a stealth secession and infiltrate society and even the official government at every level. He makes a show of not submitting to the USA and then turns around and kowtows to China. He openly disdains the military, nationalism and the very concept of arming and defending oneself, then he turns around and starts speaking of sovereignty as if he had nuclear weapons to deter adversaries with.
The sheer dishonesty, the sheer number of contradictions in this delusional communist's politics is enough to test my sanity. I feel like I'm being gaslit.
>Every time his party is defeated democratically, they bring it to the supreme court and they force it through.
What? When did this happen? He won democratically, through the vote, all the times he became president. This seems some wild MAGA-like conspiracy stuff.