SFs de facto stance (in practice due to the dynamic between law enforcement agencies) seems to be that generally an individual has right to relieve themselves even on a sidewalk (even pretextually) and being visible does not in itself arise to a crime like indecent exposure, without additional factors (such as the stereotypical “trench coat flashing” without pretext).
Thats the way SFPD worded it to me after repeatedly failing to act on my reports (such as a woman urinating in front of my child on a sidewalk near an sf muni bus stop). Nudity is legal. People have a right to bodily function. Another factor is response time, for this priority the response time can be over 12 hours (if they respond), and obviously they’re not gonna skip trace someone for urinating on a sidewalk after they left the scene.
Most event organizers like bay to breakers race or outside lands provide facilities to mitigate burdens on the community. The city provides its own portable facilities in hotspots. Tesla could easily do it, but is notorious for ignoring regulations or just doesn’t care.
I'm honestly amazed there isn't a toilet there? Like, there's toilets at gas stations, why wouldn't they (by default) put toilets in a supercharger lot?
That's pretty cheap! I mean, does Tesla expect people to use the toilet at a gas station when they're not even buying gas?
It’s really not that cheap at all in major city cores.
Gas stations around me do not generally have a public restroom due to the sheer amount of abuse they are subject to. The very few that do are the “get a key from the attendant after purchase” variety and you’d only use those in a very very dire emergency. You also have to know to ask and likely be known by the attendant since they all have “no public restroom” signs.
It’s a tragedy of the commons sort of situation. Any business that provides it requires 24x7 on-site personnel willing to get into fights with the homeless, drug addicts, and mentally unwell folks. On top of the normal abuse the general public puts on such facilities. The police will be unlikely to respond to such trespassing calls in a timely manner.
An unmanned charging station would be an epic shitshow in a major city if it had public restrooms. You would be talking multiple six figures a year to maintain such a thing. It’s not a “send a cleaning crew once a day” sort of enterprise.
Hell, even with only ride share and delivery driver demographics it would be untenable. My alley is near a major commercial corridor but not crazy busy - with literally hundreds of trash cans lining both sides of it. Every weekend I’m picking up a couple bags worth of trash tossed out of the windows of DoorDash drivers, and every single night I have multiple drivers on my security cameras taking a piss behind my garage. The latter I understand and I “get it” - but the former is inexcusable since it would take literally 15 seconds to get out of your car to toss the McDonald’s bag into a can if you were assed enough to do so. Heck if it’s too cold out you could simply reach out your window and make it happen if you were so inclined.
NIMBY probably don't want a 24/7 tesla charging station right next to their homes. It's like living at a gas station, but people fill up for 1hour+ at a time. Seems like a zoning failure and should never have been approved.
SFs de facto stance (in practice due to the dynamic between law enforcement agencies) seems to be that generally an individual has right to relieve themselves even on a sidewalk (even pretextually) and being visible does not in itself arise to a crime like indecent exposure, without additional factors (such as the stereotypical “trench coat flashing” without pretext).
Thats the way SFPD worded it to me after repeatedly failing to act on my reports (such as a woman urinating in front of my child on a sidewalk near an sf muni bus stop). Nudity is legal. People have a right to bodily function. Another factor is response time, for this priority the response time can be over 12 hours (if they respond), and obviously they’re not gonna skip trace someone for urinating on a sidewalk after they left the scene.
Most event organizers like bay to breakers race or outside lands provide facilities to mitigate burdens on the community. The city provides its own portable facilities in hotspots. Tesla could easily do it, but is notorious for ignoring regulations or just doesn’t care.
The urine thing is startling. I'm not much of a car person, much less an electric Tesla person. Is urine a large part of the Tesla sub-culture?
Rideshare drivers
It's also hard to park and find public bathrooms in San Francisco.
It's generally hard to find bathrooms or trash cans at any tesla supercharger. They're not part of the design.
You either have to find an amicable business nearby or you're out of luck.
Right, gas stations are quicker stops and mostly they have a public restroom too. But probably not in a central part of SF.
and this is somehow notable for san francisco?
I'm honestly amazed there isn't a toilet there? Like, there's toilets at gas stations, why wouldn't they (by default) put toilets in a supercharger lot?
That's pretty cheap! I mean, does Tesla expect people to use the toilet at a gas station when they're not even buying gas?
It’s really not that cheap at all in major city cores.
Gas stations around me do not generally have a public restroom due to the sheer amount of abuse they are subject to. The very few that do are the “get a key from the attendant after purchase” variety and you’d only use those in a very very dire emergency. You also have to know to ask and likely be known by the attendant since they all have “no public restroom” signs.
It’s a tragedy of the commons sort of situation. Any business that provides it requires 24x7 on-site personnel willing to get into fights with the homeless, drug addicts, and mentally unwell folks. On top of the normal abuse the general public puts on such facilities. The police will be unlikely to respond to such trespassing calls in a timely manner.
An unmanned charging station would be an epic shitshow in a major city if it had public restrooms. You would be talking multiple six figures a year to maintain such a thing. It’s not a “send a cleaning crew once a day” sort of enterprise.
Hell, even with only ride share and delivery driver demographics it would be untenable. My alley is near a major commercial corridor but not crazy busy - with literally hundreds of trash cans lining both sides of it. Every weekend I’m picking up a couple bags worth of trash tossed out of the windows of DoorDash drivers, and every single night I have multiple drivers on my security cameras taking a piss behind my garage. The latter I understand and I “get it” - but the former is inexcusable since it would take literally 15 seconds to get out of your car to toss the McDonald’s bag into a can if you were assed enough to do so. Heck if it’s too cold out you could simply reach out your window and make it happen if you were so inclined.
The first time as a child going to the big city the toilets had blue lights! This was in the late 1980s.
That memory has always stuck with me.
Foreigners often complain that public toilets in the Netherlands cost money to use. Apparently in other places people enjoy cleaning toilets for free?
Meanwhile, gas stations with toilettes are completely normal and standard.
If you have a business that involves people staying fir long, you have to have wc. They will need to piss and shit, that is given.
Costs money to operate.
And anything remotely close to a public toilet in SF is doomed to disaster.
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Sounds to me like a lack of public bathrooms.
What does that have to do with NIMBY?
NIMBY probably don't want a 24/7 tesla charging station right next to their homes. It's like living at a gas station, but people fill up for 1hour+ at a time. Seems like a zoning failure and should never have been approved.
Also, gas stations have bathrooms.
Read the article, it's basically just homeowners near by complaining and city councilors responding to that by demanding Tesla fix it.
Sounds like they were right to not want it in their back yard? I wouldn't want that shit near my house, I need to sleep at night.
I once saw a grown man pull his pants down and take a shit right on the sidewalk on market street. San Francisco just be like that.
So it's cleaner than the sidewalks?
Considering another comment talks about someone taking a dump on the sidewalk; maybe.