This is why I drive a nearly 30-year-old vehicle. Big, easy-to-use knobs and buttons, no screens, little automation of any kind. I find that slapping my iPhone into a magnetic holder on the dash is far more seamless than CarPlay integration, which sometimes fails to work or fritzes out randomly.
The mandated addition of screens to vehicles sold in the US, which happened around 2008 by administrative fiat (for use by backup cameras), was the death knell for simple mechanical human-automotive interfaces.
> Even as the price of a new car soars—now hovering around $50,000—automakers argue buyers are getting more bang for their buck, including more safety and entertainment tech features.
> For many buyers, that’s exactly the problem.
Finding it hard to believe that for "many buyers" safety features are "exactly the problem".
I've seen enough complaints about features like automatic emergency braking to be quite scared—not of the tech features, but of the drivers who are so overconfident that they are unwilling to accept any false positives from a safety feature and would rather endanger others by eschewing those features entirely.
Some of those safety features, I believe, are a hindrance to safe driving.
Example one: I drove a rental car that had a feature where the side mirrors would blink yellow when a car was in my "blind spot"; but that's very distracting, and I arrange my mirrors to minimize my blind spot to zero. I do not want this feature.
Example two: lane assist. The car's steering wheel would gently nudge me back into the lane when it thinks I'm leaving the lane. Except where I drive, there's a lot of road construction, so sometimes the lane markers don't actually indicate the actual lanes - sometimes there's new lanes painted over the old, without removing the old ones, and sometimes not. So I'm happily driving along through a construction zone, and suddenly my steering wheel decides that I need to GO RIGHT.
Things like emergency brakes when I'm backing up and the car thinks a bush branch is a child are annoying, but ultimately probably a net good, along with the "vehicle ahead has moved" beep. The "BEEP BEEP BEEP OBJECT AHEAD" is objectively good.
This may not be the type of hot take that generates clicks, but I agree with you think we'll eventually settle on a collection that actually work. The 2017 Subaru I drive from time to time initiates emergency braking about half the time I back out of the driveway; not due to to cross traffic, but the driveway is pretty slanted and it thinks I'm in imminent danger of colliding with... the road. But the concept of emergency braking is a good one, overall.
Lane assist, as you mention, is one of those that I'm sure works perfectly on the manufacturer's track in testing. No construction, no exits, no problem! The first Hyundai I drove with lane keeping would "keep" me in my lane... right off the next exit on the freeway. I still think in places like Puerto Rico, with twisty, inconsistently maintained roads, that lane keeping is a hazard (there's a reason everyone drives straight down the middle until reaching an oncoming car). But the vehicles I've driven lately do a pretty good job even though they complain more than I'd like when entering or exiting a merge.
Just like physical buttons are making a comeback (not everywhere, have you seen the new all-screen Mercedes EV?) the safety features will settle down into a happy medium eventually.
I live in rural England where the road network is medieval, lane markings represent the opinion of someone who’s never driven a car and getting personal with a hedge is just part of letting an oncoming combine harvester pass. These anti-collision systems cause accidents under these conditions, but the manufacturers don’t accept liability, so they can go and fuck themselves.
I’m sure they work fine in laboratory conditions, but that’s not my use case.
I'm waiting for humanoid robots that can drive old school cars. Also, I expected a discussion in the article about EU's newest policies that are relevant for this topic. They are requiring that all new vehicles monitor the driver.
In my personal opinion, I find that the newest car technologies are rife with abuse and fraud already. One of my newest cars can connect to my home WiFi and I started getting more targeted ads based on where I drove to. It's not a feature, it's a bug.
A good friend of mine (we'll call him G) worked at an auto body shop. An older client came in and was bitching about how his brand new Mazda (IIRC) kept freaking out when he changed lanes, and asked G if he could disable the lane departure warnings. G showed him how and said, BTW, these are supposed to be a backup for if you fall asleep - they don't go off if you use your blinker.
Dude bro politely asked G to turn the lane departure warning back on.
I don't know if it was a Mazda, one of my main complaints with my new Mazda is that the lane keeping isn't aggressive enough (outside of highway exits if you don't signal, where it will try to pull you away from the exit). Never had it freak out from a normal lane change.
I used to avoid all the new features and stuff, but then I wanted an EV. Picked up an Ioniq 6, which still has many physical buttons and such, but boy was I missing out on a lot of QoL and safety features keeping an old car for so long!
Gift link: https://www.wsj.com/lifestyle/cars/driver-assistance-technol...
This is why I drive a nearly 30-year-old vehicle. Big, easy-to-use knobs and buttons, no screens, little automation of any kind. I find that slapping my iPhone into a magnetic holder on the dash is far more seamless than CarPlay integration, which sometimes fails to work or fritzes out randomly.
The mandated addition of screens to vehicles sold in the US, which happened around 2008 by administrative fiat (for use by backup cameras), was the death knell for simple mechanical human-automotive interfaces.
Great subject. Too bad about the content:
> Even as the price of a new car soars—now hovering around $50,000—automakers argue buyers are getting more bang for their buck, including more safety and entertainment tech features.
> For many buyers, that’s exactly the problem.
Finding it hard to believe that for "many buyers" safety features are "exactly the problem".
I've seen enough complaints about features like automatic emergency braking to be quite scared—not of the tech features, but of the drivers who are so overconfident that they are unwilling to accept any false positives from a safety feature and would rather endanger others by eschewing those features entirely.
Some of those safety features, I believe, are a hindrance to safe driving.
Example one: I drove a rental car that had a feature where the side mirrors would blink yellow when a car was in my "blind spot"; but that's very distracting, and I arrange my mirrors to minimize my blind spot to zero. I do not want this feature.
Example two: lane assist. The car's steering wheel would gently nudge me back into the lane when it thinks I'm leaving the lane. Except where I drive, there's a lot of road construction, so sometimes the lane markers don't actually indicate the actual lanes - sometimes there's new lanes painted over the old, without removing the old ones, and sometimes not. So I'm happily driving along through a construction zone, and suddenly my steering wheel decides that I need to GO RIGHT.
Things like emergency brakes when I'm backing up and the car thinks a bush branch is a child are annoying, but ultimately probably a net good, along with the "vehicle ahead has moved" beep. The "BEEP BEEP BEEP OBJECT AHEAD" is objectively good.
This may not be the type of hot take that generates clicks, but I agree with you think we'll eventually settle on a collection that actually work. The 2017 Subaru I drive from time to time initiates emergency braking about half the time I back out of the driveway; not due to to cross traffic, but the driveway is pretty slanted and it thinks I'm in imminent danger of colliding with... the road. But the concept of emergency braking is a good one, overall.
Lane assist, as you mention, is one of those that I'm sure works perfectly on the manufacturer's track in testing. No construction, no exits, no problem! The first Hyundai I drove with lane keeping would "keep" me in my lane... right off the next exit on the freeway. I still think in places like Puerto Rico, with twisty, inconsistently maintained roads, that lane keeping is a hazard (there's a reason everyone drives straight down the middle until reaching an oncoming car). But the vehicles I've driven lately do a pretty good job even though they complain more than I'd like when entering or exiting a merge.
Just like physical buttons are making a comeback (not everywhere, have you seen the new all-screen Mercedes EV?) the safety features will settle down into a happy medium eventually.
I live in rural England where the road network is medieval, lane markings represent the opinion of someone who’s never driven a car and getting personal with a hedge is just part of letting an oncoming combine harvester pass. These anti-collision systems cause accidents under these conditions, but the manufacturers don’t accept liability, so they can go and fuck themselves.
I’m sure they work fine in laboratory conditions, but that’s not my use case.
I'm waiting for humanoid robots that can drive old school cars. Also, I expected a discussion in the article about EU's newest policies that are relevant for this topic. They are requiring that all new vehicles monitor the driver.
https://cybernews.com/security/eu-car-camera-monitoring/
In my personal opinion, I find that the newest car technologies are rife with abuse and fraud already. One of my newest cars can connect to my home WiFi and I started getting more targeted ads based on where I drove to. It's not a feature, it's a bug.
A good friend of mine (we'll call him G) worked at an auto body shop. An older client came in and was bitching about how his brand new Mazda (IIRC) kept freaking out when he changed lanes, and asked G if he could disable the lane departure warnings. G showed him how and said, BTW, these are supposed to be a backup for if you fall asleep - they don't go off if you use your blinker.
Dude bro politely asked G to turn the lane departure warning back on.
I don't know if it was a Mazda, one of my main complaints with my new Mazda is that the lane keeping isn't aggressive enough (outside of highway exits if you don't signal, where it will try to pull you away from the exit). Never had it freak out from a normal lane change.
I recently got a newish car 2022 and I like all the features. Way better than my 2008.
I used to avoid all the new features and stuff, but then I wanted an EV. Picked up an Ioniq 6, which still has many physical buttons and such, but boy was I missing out on a lot of QoL and safety features keeping an old car for so long!